Rod Avicularia
Moderátori: Sceptic, bebekexxx
Tomu never. Existuje niekolko farebnych odtienov metallik aj avicularii a je to preto, ze je v tom bordel a su to rozne druhy, alebo formy alebo su v roznom veku .. Ani boh sa v tom nevyzna. Jedno je ale iste, urcovat druh (a nielen Avicularie ale aj inych vtackarov, az na vynimky) je uplny nezmysel a kazdy odbornik Ti povie, ze u pavuko farba nie je taxonomicky uznavanym znakom. Zasa, existuju vynimky, ale tie teraz nechajme bokom.PiXeL napísal:edit: Avicularia avicularia je farebne skor siva ako modra. Avicularia metallica ma odtien modrej intzevnejsi az kovovomodro lesk. Zatial len tak malo.
Takze ked Ti niekto povie, ze metallica je viac modra ako avicularia, never mu. Podla toho sa rozoznat nedaju.
Ja mam napriklad teraz doma dve adult samice A.minatrix. Jedna je hneda a jedna je ruzova. Su to dva rozne druhy ????
Aj teraz sa napriklad objavili tieto Amazonas purple. Niekto ich priviezol a chce ich silou-mocou predavat pod nejakym menom tak si povedal, ze Amazonica je vychytena a celkom dobre teraz leti, resp. v tej dobe, ked ich priviezli boli prve odchovy Amazonik a tak ich pomenujem takto, budu sa lepsie predavat. Neznaly clovek, ktory chce amazonicu si to asi aj kupi. V skutocnosti sa tieto dva druhy na seba vobec ani len nepodobaju. Amazonica je pekny pavuk a Amazonica purple je obycajne sp-cko, ktorych uz tu bolo kopec, pravdepodobne import z Guayany ako vacsina importovanych Avicularii.Sceptic napísal:Bezna prax - priklad z Ciech, tie vtackare sa predavali veselo aj u nas na burzach ako Avicularia avicularia.
http://ifauna.cz/rubriky/diskuse/vypis. ... r=2#574254
Parada nastane, az zacne niekto neznaly parit Amazonicu a Amazonica purple.
tak ze tu je slubene vyjadrenie.
Honestly, nothing. Color and geographical location are what some
of the old descriptions were solely based on - not very scientific,
was it? I think that a revision of the genus and species will
reveal that several of the old (and some recent) 'pink-toed' species
will be found synonymous with A. avicularia. For now, all you can
do is go by color and geographical location of the specimen, with
comparison to the useless old species descriptions.
zdroj: Rick West
Honestly, nothing. Color and geographical location are what some
of the old descriptions were solely based on - not very scientific,
was it? I think that a revision of the genus and species will
reveal that several of the old (and some recent) 'pink-toed' species
will be found synonymous with A. avicularia. For now, all you can
do is go by color and geographical location of the specimen, with
comparison to the useless old species descriptions.
zdroj: Rick West
Ved som Ti vravel to iste.PiXeL napísal:tak ze tu je slubene vyjadrenie.
Honestly, nothing. Color and geographical location are what some
of the old descriptions were solely based on - not very scientific,
was it? I think that a revision of the genus and species will
reveal that several of the old (and some recent) 'pink-toed' species
will be found synonymous with A. avicularia. For now, all you can
do is go by color and geographical location of the specimen, with
comparison to the useless old species descriptions.
zdroj: Rick West
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of Arachnology):
THE BRAZILIAN ATLANTIC RAINFOREST SPECIES OF AVICULARIINAE (ARANEAE, THERAPHOSIDAE)
Bertani, R.
Instituto Butantan, Av. Vital Brazil 1500, 05503-900, São Paulo São Paulo, Brazil
Tarantulas of the subfamily Aviculariinae are mostly arboreal and distributed mainly from Mexico to West Indiens
and Northern South America. Tough the Amazonian forms are better known, many species and some genera from
Brazilian Atlantic Rainforest were already described during the XIX century and remains yet poorly known. In this
study, a revision of the aviculariines from Brazilian Atlantic Rainforest was made, the geographic distribution mapped
and biological and ecological data was collected. Four genera were detected: Typhochlaena C. L. Koch (to be revalidated)
with T. seladonia C. L. Koch and two new species Pachistopelma Pocock, with a single species: P. rufonigrum Pocock
Iridopelma Pocock, with I. hirsutum Pocock, I. zorodes Mello-Leitão and a new species and Avicularia Lamarck, with A.
diversipes C. L. Koch and a new species. Avicularia palmicola Mello-Leitão is a junior synonym of I. hirsutum. Avicularia
pulchra Mello-Leitão and A. recifiensis Struchen & Brändle, are junior synonyms of P. rufonigrum. Avicularia gracilis
(Keyserling) and A. leporina (C. L. Koch) are considered “nomina dubia”. Avicularia spp. and Iridopelma spp. live on
the vegetation, where they make retreats with silk and leaves. Typhochlaena spp. makes their retreats under loosen
bark of trees. Pachistopelma rufonigrum is found exclusively inside bromeliads. Most Brazilian Atlantic Rainforest species
have a very limited geographic distribution. They compete with Amazonian aviculariines in species richness and
morphological and ecological diversity.
THE IDENTITY OF AVICULARIA BRUNNIPES C. L. KOCH, WITH THE REDESCRIPTION OF THE SPECIES AND THE
DESCRIPTION OF A NEW GENUS
Fukushima, C.S.1,2; R.H. Nagahama1,3 & R. Bertani2
1. Departamento de Zoologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade de São Paulo, Rua do Matão, Travessa 14, 321, 05422-
970, São Paulo, São Paulo, Brazil; 2. Instituto Butantan, Av. Vital Brazil, 1500, 05503-900, São Paulo São Paulo, Brazil; 3.
Interunidades em Biotecnologia, Universidade de São Paulo, ICB-IV, Av. Prof. Lineu Prestes, 1730, 05508-900, São Paulo,
São Paulo, Brazil
Theraphosinae is a specious New World subfamily having almost half of the 900 theraphosids species so far described.
The taxonomy of the group is complex and there is a lack of revisions for most genera. The result is that a lot of species
described mainly in the XIX century cannot be identified. The lack of specimens sampling is another reason why
those species identity remains a mistery. Most of them were collected in expeditions carried out by naturalists more
than one century ago and were never recolected again. The genus Avicularia Lamarck is a typical case: there are 29
species considered “nomina dubia”, all described between 1805-1889. Recently, specimens of a small theraphosine
resembling an old species described originally as Mygale brunnipes C. L. Koch and now placed in Avicularia genus as
“nomem dubium” were collected in the northeastern Brazilian Atlantic Forest. C. L. Koch’s figure presents a very
characteristic coloration, which is found in the individuals that were collected in the states of Paraíba, Alagoas and
Pernambuco, Brazil. The species resembles Plesiopelma and Homoeomma by the genitalia shape, but differs from
Plesiopelma by lacking the metatarsus I protuberance in males and from Homoeomma by lacking the digital apophysis
on the male palpal bulb. Furthermore, contrary to these two genera that have a metatarsus I folding between the two
branchs of the tibial apophysis, in this species the metatarsus I folds against the retrolateral branch tip. A preliminary
cladistic analysis including Avicularia brunnipes, Plesiopelma spp., Homoeomma spp., Cyriocosmus spp., Hapalopus spp.,
Euathlus sp. and Grammostola sp. shows that the species should be included in a new genus.
of Arachnology):
THE BRAZILIAN ATLANTIC RAINFOREST SPECIES OF AVICULARIINAE (ARANEAE, THERAPHOSIDAE)
Bertani, R.
Instituto Butantan, Av. Vital Brazil 1500, 05503-900, São Paulo São Paulo, Brazil
Tarantulas of the subfamily Aviculariinae are mostly arboreal and distributed mainly from Mexico to West Indiens
and Northern South America. Tough the Amazonian forms are better known, many species and some genera from
Brazilian Atlantic Rainforest were already described during the XIX century and remains yet poorly known. In this
study, a revision of the aviculariines from Brazilian Atlantic Rainforest was made, the geographic distribution mapped
and biological and ecological data was collected. Four genera were detected: Typhochlaena C. L. Koch (to be revalidated)
with T. seladonia C. L. Koch and two new species Pachistopelma Pocock, with a single species: P. rufonigrum Pocock
Iridopelma Pocock, with I. hirsutum Pocock, I. zorodes Mello-Leitão and a new species and Avicularia Lamarck, with A.
diversipes C. L. Koch and a new species. Avicularia palmicola Mello-Leitão is a junior synonym of I. hirsutum. Avicularia
pulchra Mello-Leitão and A. recifiensis Struchen & Brändle, are junior synonyms of P. rufonigrum. Avicularia gracilis
(Keyserling) and A. leporina (C. L. Koch) are considered “nomina dubia”. Avicularia spp. and Iridopelma spp. live on
the vegetation, where they make retreats with silk and leaves. Typhochlaena spp. makes their retreats under loosen
bark of trees. Pachistopelma rufonigrum is found exclusively inside bromeliads. Most Brazilian Atlantic Rainforest species
have a very limited geographic distribution. They compete with Amazonian aviculariines in species richness and
morphological and ecological diversity.
THE IDENTITY OF AVICULARIA BRUNNIPES C. L. KOCH, WITH THE REDESCRIPTION OF THE SPECIES AND THE
DESCRIPTION OF A NEW GENUS
Fukushima, C.S.1,2; R.H. Nagahama1,3 & R. Bertani2
1. Departamento de Zoologia, Instituto de Biociências, Universidade de São Paulo, Rua do Matão, Travessa 14, 321, 05422-
970, São Paulo, São Paulo, Brazil; 2. Instituto Butantan, Av. Vital Brazil, 1500, 05503-900, São Paulo São Paulo, Brazil; 3.
Interunidades em Biotecnologia, Universidade de São Paulo, ICB-IV, Av. Prof. Lineu Prestes, 1730, 05508-900, São Paulo,
São Paulo, Brazil
Theraphosinae is a specious New World subfamily having almost half of the 900 theraphosids species so far described.
The taxonomy of the group is complex and there is a lack of revisions for most genera. The result is that a lot of species
described mainly in the XIX century cannot be identified. The lack of specimens sampling is another reason why
those species identity remains a mistery. Most of them were collected in expeditions carried out by naturalists more
than one century ago and were never recolected again. The genus Avicularia Lamarck is a typical case: there are 29
species considered “nomina dubia”, all described between 1805-1889. Recently, specimens of a small theraphosine
resembling an old species described originally as Mygale brunnipes C. L. Koch and now placed in Avicularia genus as
“nomem dubium” were collected in the northeastern Brazilian Atlantic Forest. C. L. Koch’s figure presents a very
characteristic coloration, which is found in the individuals that were collected in the states of Paraíba, Alagoas and
Pernambuco, Brazil. The species resembles Plesiopelma and Homoeomma by the genitalia shape, but differs from
Plesiopelma by lacking the metatarsus I protuberance in males and from Homoeomma by lacking the digital apophysis
on the male palpal bulb. Furthermore, contrary to these two genera that have a metatarsus I folding between the two
branchs of the tibial apophysis, in this species the metatarsus I folds against the retrolateral branch tip. A preliminary
cladistic analysis including Avicularia brunnipes, Plesiopelma spp., Homoeomma spp., Cyriocosmus spp., Hapalopus spp.,
Euathlus sp. and Grammostola sp. shows that the species should be included in a new genus.
Aby to bolo spravne pochopene, to co je popisane ako A.brunnipes v skutocnosti Avicularia vobec nie je, co je aj patrne z foto tu : http://www.natocadaaranha.com.br/wordpr ... 6#more-236
Inak velmi zaujimavo vyzerajuci vtackar.
Inak velmi zaujimavo vyzerajuci vtackar.
Ved aj autori tvrdia, ze to nie je Avic. a ze treba zistit, co to vlastne je a kam to patri.bebekexxx napísal:velmi zaujimavy vtackar, ten srdieckovy tvar na abdomene mi pripomina skor rody Cyclosternum, Cyriocosmus alebo Hapalopus ako Avicularia
... purpurea, laeta a mozno dalsie ..bebekexxx napísal:takisto nema "pinktoes" - klasicky znak avicularii (okrem versicolor).
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